tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-657546652182163999.post2707977844949484235..comments2023-11-01T07:34:22.846-07:00Comments on Thoughts on Eschatology: On Dog Whistle Raptures & Other Trivia Alf Cengiahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08240699973297720789noreply@blogger.comBlogger2125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-657546652182163999.post-56452323071794519962014-01-03T18:21:57.520-08:002014-01-03T18:21:57.520-08:00Thanks for dropping by, Alan. I wish your book wel...Thanks for dropping by, Alan. I wish your book well. There have been too many self-published efforts of late that haven't helped the prewrath cause.<br /><br />I have read the reasoning re the correlation between 1 Thess 4:15 and Matt 24:31. I think multiple comings are an issue for a system that critiques pretribulationism for a two-phase Second-Advent, regardless of where the Parousia is argued to begin. Dr Cooper and Van Kampen cite four comings some of which are "secret". This isn't something that prewrathers openly acknowledge. In fact, in my experience, many of them are oblivious to it.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.cicministry.org/scholarly/sch011.pdf" rel="nofollow"> Eric Douma discusses the Parousia </a><br /><br />For the reasons I've laid out on this blog, it's obvious that the gathering in Matt 24:31 is after a tribulation which is not less than three-and-a-half years. Moreover, taking the relevant OT texts into account (including Matt 23:37-39 and Matt 24:22) I am compelled to see this as Israel's promised gathering after their refinement. <br /><br />You write that the tribulation is cut short otherwise every believer would be exterminated (p 60). Yet that cannot be a problem for a God who, not only ordains this period, but also resurrects the dead at the rapture. Matt 24:22 better fits a scenario where the flesh being saved is a repentant Israel entering the millennium in physical bodies. <br /><br /> I'll be looking forward to reading the upcoming publications<br /><br />God bless<br /><br />AlfAlf Cengiahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08240699973297720789noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-657546652182163999.post-6322063552932646252014-01-03T10:36:24.402-08:002014-01-03T10:36:24.402-08:00Hi amc,
Thanks for your post. Just a few comments...Hi amc,<br /><br />Thanks for your post. Just a few comments. <br /><br />I appreciate your critiques against the prewrath position because you—unlike the vast majority of pretrib teachers—do not misrepresent the prewrath position. <br /><br />I thought I was clever to come up with "Dog Whistle" and "Strange Trib", but it looks like a couple of other fellows coined them before me as noted in your post. Oh well :/ <br /><br />I understand that some pretribs, such as yourself, will be disappointed that I did not address certain objections to the prewrath position in my first book such as Israel's gathering in Mt. 24:31 and the "multiple comings" issue. <br /><br />This is because my book _Antichrist Before the Day of the Lord_ was aimed to be a positive presentation of the prewrath position. As you know, Van Kampen and Rosenthal wrote their books 25 years ago. So the purpose of my publication is to be an "update" if you will of a prewrath statement, augmenting argumentation and being more exegetically rigorous than the latter works. Indeed, at certain points I felt compelled to interact with pretrib and sometimes posttrib in the main text and endnotes.<br /><br />That being said, as far as comprehensively interacting with pretrib, I will be publishing a book series beginning in March with two volumes already being edited. It will end up with about 8-10 volumes in the series. <br /><br />So in short, the interaction is just beginning and I will in some of these early volumes devote entire chapters to each of those two objections. So I look forward to your feedback on them. <br /><br />Incidentally, my objection against pretrib is not so much with "multiple comings" or "two-stage coming"; it is that you cannot have the parousia in your system _beginning_ in Mt 24:31 (at the end of the 7 year period) and at the same time have the parousia _beginning_ at 1 Thess 4:15 (at the beginning of the 7 year period), all the while claiming "one future parousia of Christ." (See "Reason # 3" in my book). In any event, I will have a chapter devoted to this issue vis-à-vis the pretrib objection. <br /><br />Thanks, <br /><br />AlanAlan E. Kurschnerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08963783504805163298noreply@blogger.com